John stopped by my previous post to leave a comment. (Thanks John). I started to respond to him there and then decided my reply was probably long enough to warrant its own post.
John's post is in purple and my responses are in blue.
the boat example is a very poor argument.
Well, I thought the car one had been over done ...
The primary application of a gun is to kill.
I'll concede that it is an application.
It does not have any other uses.
Um, no! Guns do have other applications.
Boats are used for recreation, fishing, travel etc. Sometimes things go wrong and someone will die but it was not the purpose of the boat.
When a gun kills someone it has done the right thing.
I strongly believe that a gun in an inanimate object with no sense of right or wrong. I do not agree that when a gun kills it is necessarily the right thing at all.
All the items you mention have other primary uses "boats, pillows, cars, cricket bats, stairs". Oviously they can accidentally or puposefully be used to kill but that is not what they are for.
As above. However I will challenge you on 'cricket bats'. Bats, as far as I know, originated from hunting clubs, so if you want to say that gun's only purpose is killing I think you'll have to same the same for bats - regardless of the different use of them today.
As for the self defense aspect I would ask you to consider some things.
The crime rate in Perth.
Not sure where you're going here but okay .. yes, we have crime
The rate of violent crimes.
And yes, we have violent crime ....
Your gun should be stored in a gun safe I believe, how long will it take you to access it?
Yes guns MUST be stored in a gun safe and it will take me considerable time, more than useful in a self-defense situation, to access it.
If you don't carry your gun with you (which I don't imagine you are allowed to do) it won't be able to help you anywhere besides at home.
No, I am not allowed to carry my gun (except to the range, gun shop etc) so yes, you are correct, and as for "at home" see the point above.
The chance of your gun being stolen and used by a criminal against someone else.
Um? This chance is extremely low. You're more likely to have a car stolen here (despite mandatory immobolisers) and have it used in a crime.
The chance that you carrying a gun will change a non-lethal situation into a lethal one. i.e. the criminal will be forced to use lethal force on you when they may not want to.
Totally disagree. Given that I can not carry a gun here this is irrelevant to me. However, as I clearly stated I'm not looking to, in any way, escalate a situation, just the opposite. Whatever tools I have to hand when in a violent situation will only be used when there is NO OTHER OPTION. I'm certainly not advocating (and I don't know anyone who would) waving a gun around because someone bumped your shopping trolley!
What other options are you exploring on the force continuum to defend your self? e.g. a kosh, a taser, pepper spray, etc.
All of those are illegal here as well (to varying degrees). Basically assume if you're carrying something purely for the purpose of self-defense you're not allowed to.
What are you willing to kill for?
Food. As stated in my earlier posts, I am willing to DEFEND myself. I'm not approaching any situation with the intent to kill.
If a person is robbing you is it worth killing him for $50?
What if he is robbing you at knifepoint, now is it worth killing him for $50?
What if the person attacking you is a minor?
Do you jog (and sprint)? Jogging will help you to run away when in danger and will help you in other ways as well.
V.true - got to do more of that.
As I said, thanks for stopping by. I am a bit unclear on your actual stance on things so please feel free to follow up on any of the above topics.